A question of scale

I have often received the question as to why I use 1/87 scale tanks instead of the 1/100 that are sold by the Battlefront gaming company. My answer is simple. Appearance.
15mm men are not 1/100 scale but are closer to 1/87 scale than anything else available.
The 1/87 scale tanks are close enough to use together with either if wanted but the 1/100 scale tanks can not be used along with the 1/72 scale very well. They don’t even look close. I have been active in the past with different groups and gaming systems in both scales and this scale works with both.
With that in mind all gaming miniatures are usable if the players agree to it and it is just a preference of mine to have the men and tanks look like they are in scale to each other.
If you look at the above photo you will see some 15mm men as sold by Battlefront along with the same version of T-26 tank in three different miniature gaming scales. The one on the left is by Battlefront and is sold along with the men to play Flames of War. The one in the middle is in 1/87 scale and is what I use. The one on the right is by a eastern European company and is in 1/72 scale. The crew to this tank is three, one driver and two in the turret. Looking at the size of the people versus the tank model you can’t fit two scale people on the turret of the 1/100 scale model and the 1/72 scale model is way to big to look right on a gaming table.
If you look at the larger tanks the difference is even more pronounced.
This is why I use a combination of 15mm and 1/87 scale in my miniatures. I use the people, smaller vehicles, crew served weapons and artillery from battlefront and other companies in 15mm and larger tanks and vehicles in 1/87 scale.

Thank you and I will now get off my soap box.

An interesting side note

I found an interesting picture that demonstrates how tank sizes have changed over the years. This will lead into a post I hope to add in this weekend if I can finish them this Friday. Come back again to see it.

Answer #5:

Re: T-26 Assault Gun Variants question
Posted by: "fiumusofchester" profpate@btopenworld.com fiumusofchester

Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:52 am (PST)
--- In TOandEs@yahoogroups.com, David L Ong wrote:
>Concerningrespective armaments, the Soviet 45 mm gun which equipped the majorityof theT-26s produced was superior to the low velocity, short-barrelled, 47mm gunwhich equipped the Vickers Six-Ton B.
> > Yes the gun was better, however reports from SCW sources suggest that the AP capability was not better that the German 37 due to the poor quality of the metals used.
An important fatcor to bear in mind?

Fimius

Answer #4:

Re: T-26 Assault Gun Variants question
Posted by: "Bob Mackenzie" bob_mackenzie@ntlworld.com bob_david_mackenzie

Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:22 am (PST)

Bob Mckenzie's "Comrades in Arms" lists tank strengths for the various Russian tank units in '41. Zaloga comments that most of thelight tanks were in poor repair and broke down during movement to the front.

So it does :) I have a great deal more info now.
From memory here were a handful of SU-5 with various tank corps.Some corps list T-26A artillery tanks, but not manyIf you use Google's translator I recommend the following sitehttp://mechcorps.rkka.ru/ (click the button with the KV2 on it)

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I followed this recomendation and found a 47 page document in Russian. Since I can't read Russian I did feed it through Googles translator which I've been using on and off for over a year. I found their translator is limited in the amount it can translate in any given job. It averaged eight pages per job and it took seven passes to translate it all. I just finished re-assembling it into one document so I haven't finished reviewing its contents yet.

Answer #3:

Re: T-26 Assault Gun Variants question
Posted by: "David L Ong" davlong64@yahoo.com davlong64

Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:43 pm (PST)

T-26 Model 1931 twin-turreted tankThe Soviets did not simply replicate the Vickers Six-Ton:[11] Like its British counterpart, the T-26 Model 1931 had a twin-turret configuration and was designed to carry two machine guns—one in each turret. The major differences between the Soviet T-26 and the British Six-Ton were the rectangular firing ports for Degtyarev machine guns, as opposed to the round ports used by the original design.[12] After problems experienced with precipitation and snow getting into the engine compartment, a special bonnet was installed after March 1932, and was later made integral with the design of the air intake unit. The tank was also fitted with a higher turret with an observation slit, while the driver was given a vision port.[12] Around 1,627 T-26 tanks with twin turrets were produced between 1931 and 1933, and 450 were armed with the 37 mm PS-1.[13] However, in 1933 the Soviets unveiled the T-26 Model 1933, with a single cylindrical turret which carried asingle 37 mm cannon and a single 7.62 mm machine gun.[14] Ultimately, this 37 mm primary cannon was replaced by the better known 45 mm, which was based on the German Pak 35/36 cannon acquired in 1930.[14] The 45 mm gun would be improved when the original 45 mm 19K anti-tank gun,[15] developed at Plant No. 8, was replaced in 1935 by the 45 mm model 1934. The semiautomatic mechanism of the 19K was exchanged by an inertial operating mechanism.[16] The T-26 could carry up to three secondary Degtyarev 7.62 mm machine guns, in coaxial, rear, and antiaircraft mounts. The majority of T-26 built were of the T-26 Model 1933 model. The original purpose of the upgraded firepower was to increase lethal range to defeat dedicated anti-tank teams, as the original machine gun ordnance was found insufficient.[17]

The T-26 Model 1933 carried 122 rounds of 45 mm ammunition, firing armour-piercing 45 mm rounds with a muzzle velocity of 820 m/s (2,700 ft/s), or lower-velocity high-explosive munitions.[3] The tank was powered by a GAZ 91 horsepower (68 kW) gasoline engine which gave it a top speed of almost 30 km/h (19 mph). The hull had a maximum steel thickness of 16 mm, which was sufficient to stop artillery HE fragments and light machine gun ammunition, including German 7.92 mm armour-piercing rounds but would later prove to be too light against newer German anti-tank weapons in 1941. There would be subsequent attempts to thicken the front plate, but ultimately T-26 production would end in favour of newer and superior tank designs, such as the T-34. In 1937 there was an effort to equip many tanks with anti-aircraft machine guns, as well as the addition of two searchlights, a new VKU-3 command system and a TPU-3 intercom. Ammunition stowage was alsoimproved, from 122 rounds to 147 for the main gun.[19] In 1938 the cylindrical turret was replaced with a conical shaped turret, with the same 45 mm model 1934 gun.[20]

When compared to the Vickers Six-Ton tank, the T-26 had superior maximum armour protection - 15 mm (0.59 in) as compared to 13 mm (0.51 in). Although the Vickers Six-Ton B would have its armour increased to a maximum of 17 mm (0.67 in), this was not much superior to the 16 mm (0.63 in) of the T-26 Model 1933. Furthermore, the T-26 would later see its armour improved. Concerning respective armaments, the Soviet 45 mm gun which equipped the majority of the T-26s produced was superior to the low velocity, short-barrelled, 47 mm gun which equipped the Vickers Six-Ton B. However, the Vickers Six-Ton was slightly lighter and slightly faster than the T-26.[21]The T-26 saw wide service during the Spanish Civil War. Even as WW2 began, the T-26 continued to be the backbone of the Red Army's tank corps. Plans were made to replace the T-26 and BT tanks with a new generation of tanks such as the T-34 and T-50, but these plans were just beginning to be executed on the eve of Operation Barbarossa. Production of the T-26 was halted; readiness and maintenance standards fell, which put the Red Army at a disadvantage during the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.

Answer #2:

Re: T-26 Assault Gun Variants question
Posted by: "mage@macconnect.com" mage@macconnect.com magegames

Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:43 pm (PST):
Bob Mckenzie's "Comrades in Arms" lists tank strengths for the various Russian tank units in '41. Zaloga comments that most of the light tanks were in poor repair and broke down during movement to the front.

Michael

Answer 1:

I have received 5 replies so far. I will post each of them in a separate entry here for reference. Here is the first of them:

Re: T-26 Assault Gun Variants question
Posted by: "Eero Juhola" ejuhola@sci.fi ejuhola
Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:09 am (PST)

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:27:42 -0000, sdean_796 wrote:
According to Google Red Hammers is from 1998 or thereabouts. T-26 nomenclature has changed recently. We used to have, for example, the T-26 model 1933 which are now called "T-26 of 1934 or 1935 manufacture", depending on the features of the tank in question... and what used to be a T-26 model 1939 is now a "T-26-1 of 1939 manufacture". It is possible that the models not mentioned in Red Hammers were called something else back when Sharp's book was researched.

Best regards, EJ